My daughters attend a unique French public school which is home to 10 different international language "sections." Despite the multicultural configuration, the goal of the curriculum is to get all the students assimilated into the French system as rapidly as possible. The girls take only 6 hours per week in English (British style), and everything else is in French, with French teachers and administrators. The two styles of education are vastly different. Each side has its strengths and weaknesses, and I think it can only benefit my daughters in the long run to be exposed to multiple teaching styles and educational value systems. I'll do my best not to make judgments about good vs. bad, right vs. wrong -- they're just different. So here are some of the things I've observed so far:
- The French system values the collective over the individual. I've seen this play out in a number of scenarios. For example, France has extremely rigid national curriculum standards. Every student in each grade level is being taught the same material in the same manner. The grading system exposes this, too. Every time a student gets a grade, the class "moyenne" (average) is also shared. That way, the student can compare how he or she is doing compared to the rest of the class. Every trimester, a class "conseil" is held. The teachers gather with an elected class representative to talk about each student and how they are affecting the class as a whole: Is Johnny keeping up, or is he dragging the class down? What's the "personality" of this class - is it lively or calm? Serious or silly?
- Neatness is a virtue. During our first visit to Lyon, we had dinner with a family that had a 6 year old daughter. She was working on her handwriting, and I took a peek. Her writing was extremely small, and was produced with careful meticulousness. I remember thinking that I couldn't believe that this was expected of such a young child; that it would never be possible with American kindergarteners. The lined paper used in schools has both vertical and horizontal guide marks to facilitate precision. Four horizontal lines make up each row, like so:
Students are also required to use a ruler for any line that needs to be drawn: underlining a title, connecting responses between two columns, etc. A middle schooler showed me one of her science tests, in which the teacher docked points for not using a ruler when she indicated the directional flow of a river current. Which leads me to the next point:
- Perfection is the (impossible) standard. French grades are given on a 20 point scale. Nobody ever, ever gets a 20. The teacher will always find some small error - because although perfection is held up as the ideal, to actually achieve perfection would give the impression that the student is equal to the teacher. (By the way, a double-digit grade is usually considered passing.) Teachers rarely praise students for what they do right; what they do wrong is pointed out...sometimes in front of the entire class.
- Reproduction is more appreciated than creativity. Students are taught to master the material as presented and not think too much outside the box. This is seen even in art class: Draw a chair. THIS chair. Don't use your imagination.
I could go on, and I will on a future date...I think this post should have a part 2. I still need to talk about math, independence, homework, and more. In the meantime: if you have gone to school in France, I'd like your feedback. Agree? Disagree? Other observations? Post your comments, please.
Whew - as a homeschooler this must be a BIG adjustment.
ReplyDeleteYou bet! The girls are used to it now but it was a huge change in every way.
DeleteThis artical on education is very, very, very interesting. Give us more.
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ReplyDeleteI'm French, I live in Lyon, and I read your interesting blog for a long time (I enjoy reading expats blogs, french people in US or other countries, or like yours, people who discover France and its (sometimes strange) ways of doing things. My english is not fluent, so I hope I'll be understandable ;)
Your post here is very interesting, and it is totally right, althought I think I can add some details...
Here in Lyon, you talk about your girls' school, "Cite Internationale". It is one of the best schools in Lyon, very difficult to enter for mostly of Lyon's people. So I think that the level required for students is much higher than in others schools...
But it is right that handwriting, and cursive letters, are standard. Everybody must learn this way of writing when they learn how to read. One of my daugters is 5, in "Grande Section de Maternelle", she will learn how to read next year, but she already knows her cursive letters. She think it's hard... but here we all learned it at this age, it seems normal. I remember a french person in US who was very surprised that it was not the same in US schools...
You're right too for the creativity... French expats often marvel at how it is encouraged in US schools !
But now, the level of requirement is less than when I was young (I'm only 34), and much less than when my father was. One minister, in the 80's, said than he wants "80% d'une classe d'âge au bac" (80% of an age group getting the baccalaureat).
But people now are not smarter than their fathers, so to do that, the level of requirement has been lowered...
Please continue to offer us your observations, it is so interesting !
Thank you Gaelle! I appreciate your feedback. It's nice to know that my observations are somewhat accurate from a French person's perspective. You are right, it is interesting. Living abroad has caused me to observe my own native culture from a broader perspective. I think people tend to see their own culture as "normal" and every other culture as strange...but when you get the chance to live in another culture, you appreciate the rich diversity of this world.
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Blessings,
Wende
Thank you for this post Wende. You made me "homesick". I think you'd really enjoy visiting some of Lyon universities and watching a lecture or two. It's quite something! At "my" law school (faculté de droit) at Lyon 3 (at la Manufacture du Tabac at Metro Sans Souci or sur le quai vers la Guillotière) the lectures were quite traditional and reflected a lot of the culture and the foundations of the educational system. It was very interesting for the observant eye ; )
ReplyDeleteI agree with your grading observations and perfection thoughts. At Lyon 3, I had an average of seven 3-hour lectures a week + five 1-hour workshop/practical work section . The workload was very dense and I had to do A LOT of extra independent reading. I was taught the importance of the French language, the precision and care that was needed for every word, every argument. I will always remember that I had to HAND WRITE my papers which were usually 8-10 pages long (about 3 times a week!) I was graded not only on the content of my arguments but on the form as well. I mastered the art of using a fountain pen! - ha!!
I remember a story when I first arrived in Lyon. I worked VERY hard for a paper and was sure I had done REALLY well , except that my grade was 12 out of 20. I was gutted and went to speak to my teacher (which was a mission in itself). I will always remember what he said about the grading system: "a 20 is for God if you believe there is one, a 19 for brilliant people like Voltaire or Rousseau, 18 for us teachers, 17 for those brilliant minds that will become Voltaires... If you get a 13, 14, 15 or 16 you are excellent! It is probably the best grade you can ever get. Now, a 10 is a pass, an 11 good and a 12 a mention of honour - and "Mademoiselle", if you complain about your grade I might lower it so you will learn that you shouldn't question your teacher's judgement."
This conversation really opened my eyes to the fact that this same "harsh" grading system is carried out in society and the way the French face life. You are not supposed to learn through encouragement, you are put down and have to "suffer" your way up to the "I've learnt my lesson" level. People subconsciously grade everything and everyone in the same way... So fascinating! Once I got my head around that I started grading things 14 or lower! How wonderful it was to expand my grading views from an early stage in my French schooling time.. But I better stop writing.. I can get carried away and just go on and on about French culture.. the education.. the people.. ou la la, la France me manque! Merci pour écrire. Bon courage pour tes filles. Rebeca. x
I absolutely love the story about the grades from your prof. Shared this with Lori and Lindsey to encourage them that their "mediocre" grades aren't so bad after all! Thanks for posting your comments.
DeleteVos lecteurs aimeraient en savoir plus sur le système éducatif français.
ReplyDeleteI'm really enjoying reading back through all your posts... we are celebrating 9 months in Lyon and just getting our heads about us after a season of culture shock waves, we also have a 5yr old in Grande Section and I love seeing some of the things I've been thinking make an appearance on your list.. I'm not crazy! (well... at least not as crazy) haha. I would love to get together and talk some time... not sure how to contact you or give you mine here on the world wide web... blessings!
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DeleteThanks! found your blog too. Just send me another comment with your contact info. and I won't publish it, but that way I'll be able to get in touch. Would love to connect with another follower of Christ in Lyon!
I, too, really enjoyed your acute observations on the French education system. A lot of your comparisons between the French and US systems hold true for the French and UK systems too. We have found, for example, that our daughter in CE1 has covered far more ground than her British contemporaries in maths but that her French contemporaries have not yet caught up with the levels of literacy she attained before arriving here a year ago. The British government has been eyeing the French system with envy for a while, so I am fascinated by what is to be won or lost by emulating it.
ReplyDeleteIf you're interested in the experience of a British person living in Lyon, I have just started my own blog, which you can find at www.lostinlyon.com , though I have not yet worked myself up to structuring my ideas about schooling on there.
Please do consider writing more on education!
Thanks for your comments and for the link to your excellent blog. It's been a joy to share experiences with fellow expats in person and online! Blessings!
DeleteWe are an Australian family looking at relocating to Lyon. Do you know anything about the International School of Lyon? Would love your feedback, and advice, if you know anything about this school.
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Tahnee
Hi Tahnee, and best of luck with your move to Lyon. We visited the ISL twice and absolutely loved it - everything except the price tag. For us it would have been a great fit because our girls were used to small class sizes and lots of creativity & customization. We have friends whose children attend (some in primary and another in high school) and they have positive things to say. The high school IB program is supposed to be excellent and quite challenging. It's not for everyone - it's a very small school and I've heard that non-French speakers won't become fluent in the language at the ISL school because they aren't immersed. So it all depends on the goals that you have for your children.
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